Smiddy Smails and Gregor Kondo from Text100 on ‘who are the new publics of Second Life?’

  1. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:05] Welcome all to this Kuurian Expedition presentation

  2. Resident A

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  3. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:06] We’re fortunate to have the FIRST ad agency in SL with us today ๐Ÿ™‚

    [13:06] (kidding)

  4. Second Life

    [13:06] Nobody Fugazi looks around for Prok.

  5. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:06] but Text100 is definitely on the forefront

    [13:06] in trying to bring copropartions

    [13:07] and corporations too

    [13:07] into SL

    [13:07] that may not be otherwise considering it

    [13:07] I shoudl mention that my RL company is a customer of Text100

  6. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:07] full disclosure ;D

  7. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:07] but unfortunately I was not bribed to invite them here ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  8. Smiddy Smails

    [13:07] next time!

  9. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:08] he was paid to say that ;D

  10. Smiddy Smails

    [13:08] ๐Ÿ™‚

  11. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:08] so, without further ado, I’ll hand it over to Smiddy to lead us in a discussion of the new publics of SL

    [13:08] take it away!

  12. Spizaex Stepanov

    [13:08] Ute.. You here??

  13. Second Life

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  14. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:09] yes, she is

  15. Gregor Kondo

    [13:09] As soon as Poinky handed over, Smiddy’s system crashed!

    [13:09] Give him a second, please

  16. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:09] I’d like to apologize for my burnt appearance by the way.

    [13:09] apparently "bake texture" did not mean what I thought it did

  17. Ton Zeami

    [13:10] hehehehe

  18. Yummi Burrito

    [13:10] lol

  19. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:10] lmfao

  20. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:10] lol

  21. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:10] i thought that was a stylistic fashion decision

  22. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:10] what happened, poinky?

  23. Second Life

    [13:10] Farley Scarborough smiles

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  24. Gregor Kondo

    [13:10] Smiddy is logging back in now.

  25. Resident B

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  26. Resident A

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  27. Smiddy Smails

    [13:10] sorry aobut that!

  28. Ton Zeami

    [13:11] no prob smiddy

  29. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:11] maybe if peopl can turn off any scripts, attachements to help with lag, that would help us with not carshing

  30. Smiddy Smails

    [13:11] alright, let’s try this again

    [13:11] Thank you for joining us and welcome to Text 100 Island. If you haven’t had a chance to look around yet, I hope you’ll do so later.

    [13:11] We really appreciate the opportunity from The Kuurian Expedition to present today.

  31. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:11] /clap

  32. Smiddy Smails

    [13:11] Before we begin, I want to make sure everyone knows that you will be able to particpiate in the Linden Town Hall with Cory Linden here at 2:30 SLT via a repeater.

  33. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:11] Umm, this sim is nowhere NEAR it’s script limit. It’s performing awesom

  34. Smiddy Smails

    [13:12] The town hall is text only, no audio. So feel free to stick around following the presentation for that event as well.

    [13:12] s Poinky indicated, the purpose of today’s presentation, which hopefully will be very interactive, is to discuss the question: Who are the new publics of Second Life?

    [13:12] Now in order to keep the discussion moving, I ask that you use IM to communicate with each other during the presentation.

    [13:12] Afterwards, we will open it up for questions. You can IM them to be at any time and I will moderate the Q&A.

    [13:12] To help frame the discussion,

    [13:12] I’d like to introduce Gregor Kondo.

    [13:12] Gregor, in RL, is Georg Kolb, Executive Vice President for Text 100.

    [13:12] He is in charge of looking at new services for our company,

    [13:12] and so he has a natural interest in peer-to-peer media platforms and by extension, SL.

    [13:12] So with that, I turn the presentation over to Gregor…

  35. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:13] lol

  36. Gregor Kondo

    [13:13] Welcome everyone!

    [13:14] Can you hear me? ๐Ÿ™‚

  37. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:14] =D

  38. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:14] Yes

  39. Second Life

    [13:14] Farley Scarborough nods

  40. Gregor Kondo

    [13:14] Please apologize that I?m sitting here, I simply didn?t want to stand throughout the whole session ?

    [13:14] As you might know, the Kuurian expedition was sent ?to the wild and foreign lands of cyberia? in the spirit of scientific expeditions of the 15th to 19th centuries

    [13:14] Why would that include a talk about New Publics?

    [13:15] Is there such a thing as New Publics at all?

    [13:15] To answer those questions we need to take a look at the bigger picture

    [13:15] There are fundamental waves of change going through society, business and technology.

    [13:15] We all experience them somehow. I can?t go into detail, but here are a couple of catchwords:

    [13:16] In society, we are seeing much more flexibility, but also more risk for the individual. We are also seeing demographic change, gaps of wealth and values, migrations, etc.

    [13:16] In business we have to deal with globalization, super-fragmented markets, commoditization and price wars, lost loyalty with customers and employees, increased social responsibility, etc.

    [13:16] And in technology, we are seeing the rise of distributed computing, open systems, participatory technologies (I don?t like ?web 2.0?), biotech, clean tech and much more.

    [13:16] All these developments are closely related and would deserve a large discussion, of course.

    [13:16] All these developments are closely related and would deserve a large discussion, of course.

    [13:17] But for today, let?s just look at how these changes play out for our topic: the publics.

    [13:17] But for today, let?s just look at how these changes play out for our topic: the publics.

    [13:17] Let?s start from the society angle:

    [13:17] Let?s start from the society angle:

    [13:17] The relation between the public and the private is being redefined. We are living more individualized lifes that are not as regulated by public institutions as they used to be for our parents and grand parents.

    [13:17] The relation between the public and the private is being redefined. We are living more individualized lifes that are not as regulated by public institutions as they used to be for our parents and grand parents.

    [13:17] As a result, people are building trust in new ways. They have less trust in established public institution like governments or brands, but even in personal advisors like doctors or lawyers.

    [13:17] As a result, people are building trust in new ways. They have less trust in established public institution like governments or brands, but even in personal advisors like doctors or lawyers.

    [13:18] Instead they increasingly build trust with people who share an interest with them: their peers.

    [13:18] In other words, we have more confidence in each other than in institutions.

    [13:18] For example, while our grand parents would have blindly followed the advice of their doctor, we are looking for someone else who suffers from the same disease before we undergo that surgery.

    [13:18] In addition to this social dynamic, we are empowered by new internet technologies to find our peers. We can use search engines to find someone else with that same rare disease who lives on the other side of the planet.

    [13:19] And we can create or join a community of patients with that disease on blogs or social networks.

    [13:19] Our more individualized life style and the technologies to push it through also results into increasingly fragmented markets.

    [13:19] Just consider this: while a grocery store in the fifties might have carried 3,500 items, today?s supermarkets will carry ten times this number.

    [13:19] Now, how do virtual worlds like SL relate to this?

    [13:19] We believe they are just a more radical technology for people to create an individual life and connect with their peers

    [13:20] They are an interesting version of the New Publics that are released from old institutions.

    [13:20] But in principle they are part of the same dynamic you can observe in any social network today, be it online or offline: people are inventing their life in communities of peers.

    [13:20] So, the New Publics are not a resort of virtual worlds, they are a dynamic of our time.

    [13:20] Against this background, we can also challenge the old distinction between the public and the private.

    [13:21] Is your SL identity private?

    [13:21] It is in the sense that you might hide from your RL communities that you are Super Girl in SL.

    [13:21] But then again you also live a public life as Super Girl within the virtual world, and the relationships there are very real.

    [13:21] From that perspective, it is rather your RL identity that is private, or even virtual!

    [13:22] Let?s add the corporate level to the discussion.

    [13:22] Today, we have corporations like IBM that do have a RL and a SL presence.

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  42. Gregor Kondo

    [13:22] I think as a first step it is important to realize that the New Publics are everywhere in this system.

    [13:22] There are communities of interest inside Second Life, and there are communities of interest emerging inside corporations.

    [13:22] In the case of the RL corporation IBM, there are thousands of blogs on their internal blogging platform where people can find their peers they share an interest with.

    [13:23] Of course, they can do the same in SL, but in a more creative, experimental way.

    [13:23] For example, if there were an IBM project on monkeys, the IBMers could meet in SL in the jungle.

    [13:25] Now, theoretically I don’t see any reason why all these different communities couldn’t connect.

    [13:25] If and only IF there is an interest they share!

    [13:26] IF there would be indeed an interest they share, the COULD connect.

    [13:26] That said, as of yet, they rarely do,

    [13:26] because they are too much focused on their own agendas

    [13:26] rather than mutual benefits.

    [13:26] On the business side,

    [13:27] many are runniung into SL like they ran for internet domains ten years ago.

    [13:27] Often without being clear on their own objectives

    [13:27] and even less clear why the SL community would bother.

    [13:28] But also on the SL side, there are "immersionists"

    [13:28] who live and work in SL

    [13:28] and seem to feel threatened by the corporate immigrants

    [13:28] rather than considering how they could enrich the virtual world.

    [13:29] But there is even another layer we have to add:

    [13:29] The media. Both in RL and SL

    [13:30] The New Publics don’t need them to connect.

    [13:30] That was different for hundreds of years.

    [13:31] But they still have a huge role to play:

    [13:31] as clarifiers and amplifiers.

    [13:31] Again, that’s true in theory, not always in practice.

    [13:31] But I do believe that Public Relations can help to build all those connections between the New Publics.

    [13:32] I know we can in RL.

    [13:32] I"m confident we will learn to do it in SL!

    [13:32] Thank you!

  43. Smiddy Smails

    [13:32] Thank you, Georg.

  44. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:32] Whew

  45. Second Life

    [13:32] Soluna Sassoon claps

  46. Smiddy Smails

    [13:32] So now we’re going to take some questions from the audience.

    [13:33] Please feel free to submit them to me via IM and I will repeat them to the group.

    [13:33] Our first question is from Intellagirl Tully: Can you define "public"? a blog is public and yet if we don’t share our identity, it’s also very private. how are we defining public in this sense?

  47. Gregor Kondo

    [13:33] I think the publics are all about the relationships between individuals.

    [13:34] Regardless of the fact whether their identity is unveiled.

  48. Smiddy Smails

    [13:34] Denials Frazer asks: Are you suggesting that media corporations should serve as an intermediary, a nexus, between dispersed individuals?

  49. Intellagirl Tully

    [13:34] thanks

  50. Gregor Kondo

    [13:34] Today, individuals can connect without the media.

    [13:35] They are empowered to have their own voice.

    [13:35] Still, the media can help with the connection.

    [13:35] As clarifiers and amplifiers.

    [13:35] Make sense?

  51. Smiddy Smails

    [13:35] Let’s go ahead and open this discussion up

  52. Denials Frazer

    [13:35] it does, but i would like an example

  53. Gregor Kondo

    [13:36] Okay, so my son is a penguin enthusiast.

  54. Farley Scarborough

    [13:36] /nods

  55. Intellagirl Tully

    [13:36] doesn’t the media sometimes serve to cloud things, to present only one side, misrepresent instead of connect?

  56. Gregor Kondo

    [13:36] He can find his community using a search engine.

    [13:36] And they can connect withot traditional media.

    [13:37] On all things penguin, like the last movie

    [13:37] the next zoo

    [13:37] the best travel agency

  57. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:37] wasn’t it the media that made people aware of the movie, however?

    [13:37] wasn’t it the media that made people who went and saw happy feet that the movie was out in the first place?

  58. Gregor Kondo

    [13:37] But he will still enjoy an article in a magazine that provides him some context

  59. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:37] more than other peopel saying, "look, here’s a cool movie about penguins coming out"

  60. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:37] here it will become more and more important to manage public relations. so, the elder ppl in SL have some advantages, because they know better this environment. what will think the ppl with a big experience in RL and no experience in SL. They will accept that?

  61. Gregor Kondo

    [13:37] like the ecosystem of penguins and what they need for their life

  62. Denials Frazer

    [13:38] so the media can provide a context

  63. Smiddy Smails

    [13:38] Rik Riel: This seems like an optimistic spin on what is essentially the loss of any true "agora" or gathering point for citizens not controlled by companies. How does our democracy evolve to respond to this? I.e. does this fracturization of society in smaller publics mean we are less united as a people?

  64. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:38] Yeah good question.

  65. Nobody Fugazi

    [13:38] This sounds very similar to Levy’s ‘molecular media’.

  66. Gregor Kondo

    [13:38] I’m surprised you would see it like that.

    [13:39] I believe that companies have much less control on these gatherings today.

    [13:39] Think of a drug company…

    [13:39] and the community of patients discussing nasty side effects

  67. Decka Mah

    [13:39] Except that they actually own the place we a re meeting in…and control the rules around it

  68. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:39] I can see where Rik is coming from. The internet that has united penguin enthusiasts and amplified their interest in penguins can just as easily unite terrorists and amplify their interest in extermism.

  69. Gregor Kondo

    [13:40] How would they have been able to do something like that in the past when they are dispersed across the globe?

  70. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:40] It could bring a core or mainstream group of people closer together but just as easily pull the fringers father apart.

  71. Smiddy Smails

    [13:40] Kim Chihuly asks that you say a few words about what kind of things PR firms will do in SL?

  72. Gregor Kondo

    [13:40] Well, we are still exploring what we can do, but

  73. Nobody Fugazi

    [13:40] Gregor: ‘much less’ doesn’t mean that companies have little enough authority to please some people.

  74. Gregor Kondo

    [13:41] we will try to help building relationships between the New Publics that will be a win-win for all.

  75. Nobody Fugazi

    [13:41] Using pharmaceuticals as an example, why do I need to get spammed with pill information, isn’t that what my doctor is for?

  76. Gregor Kondo

    [13:42] You don’t need to get spammed.

  77. Second Life

    [13:42] Decka Mah puts her hand on her heart and hears violins as the “win-win” tune plays in her head …NOT

  78. Nobody Fugazi

    [13:42] My television tells me about drugs I can’t even get in the country I live in. That’s spam.

  79. Gregor Kondo

    [13:42] I think the filters for users will get always better. Think RSS in a big way.

  80. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:42] I see that there are still some skeptics around. when I talk about SL, some still laugh. when will it change?

  81. Smiddy Smails

    [13:42] Weiss Plessis: Where do brands and branding enter into the idea of publics? Personal branding and corporate branding, both as functions of identity?

  82. Gregor Kondo

    [13:42] On the branding q.

    [13:43] I think we are seeing a shift in brand development.

  83. Spizaex Stepanov

    [13:43] I think that is the point.. You are not interested in pills, because you are sastisfied with this. The media have to discover what are your new interests, or create one for you, that you could buy..

  84. Gregor Kondo

    [13:43] From the corporations to their communities.

    [13:43] Think of the Treonauts blog.

    [13:43] It was created by Treo users.

    [13:44] They have so much traction that Palm is forced to listen.

  85. Smiddy Smails

    [13:44] dga Kyomoon: It’s precisely because the media cannot be counted upon to clarify but only amplify that we rely more on each other thant the institutions you mentioned in the beginning. Why should we look to the media now?

  86. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:44] This is the empowerment you were talking about

  87. Gregor Kondo

    [13:44] On the role of the media.

  88. Weiss Plessis

    [13:44] thx Gregor, makes sense.

  89. Gregor Kondo

    [13:45] I think of the way I’m still reading some papers.

    [13:45] While I’m getting all the breaking news online,

    [13:45] I still appreciate the view of a good journo who can provide me with the bigger picture.

  90. Smiddy Smails

    [13:46] Alicia Encinal: Do you think Linden’ policy about still calling SL "a game" helps PR firms in bringing here corporate clients?

  91. Kim Chihuly

    [13:46] and people in your community of interest can help you find those good journalists

  92. Gregor Kondo

    [13:46] Do the Lindens still call it a game?

  93. Alicia Encinal

    [13:46] yeah, just in the main page

  94. Gregor Kondo

    [13:46] If so, they shouldn’t.

  95. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:46] I thought the lindens were very much against the idea of SL as a game.

  96. Gregor Kondo

    [13:46] First, because I don’t think it’s true.

  97. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:47] The Lindends call Second Life an online environment.

  98. Gregor Kondo

    [13:47] Second, they will attract a larger audience, if they don’t.

  99. Smiddy Smails

    [13:47] Vorren Voltaire: I’m curious as to how these ‘corporate immigrants’ will be enriching Second Life (or similar environments) aside for comsumer intrests? What are the actual benifits for the community?

  100. Alicia Encinal

    [13:47] but they still call it a game in

  101. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:47] where?

  102. Gregor Kondo

    [13:47] What can the corporate immigrants do?

    [13:48] I don’t think there is a generic answer to this.

    [13:48] I think what needs to be done is an agenda mapping exercise for each.

  103. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:48] They have yet to find their place it seems

  104. Gregor Kondo

    [13:48] What is on the agenda of the business, what is on the agenda of the community they want to address?

    [13:48] Where is the overlap? Take it from there.

  105. Intellagirl Tully

    [13:49] Corporate immigrants seem to legitimize SL to the RL public, though

  106. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:49] yes

    [13:50] If Company X is spending Y tousands of $US to move into SL, there must be some good reason

  107. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:50] But what effect does that legitimization have? It looks like statistically a ton of people just come into Second Life and then never come back.

  108. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:50] or so the thinking goes

  109. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:50] People who are just amuzed that you can get a Nissan in Second Life, play with that, and then leave again.

  110. Decka Mah

    [13:50] corporations have yet to leanr how to do business INSIDE a game….there are LOTS of peopel using Second Life adn theit "third place" …call it a game if you wish…a liesure space is porobably a better description.

  111. Gregor Kondo

    [13:50] I would see SL as a multitude of New Publics.

  112. Alicia Encinal

    [13:50] i never said i call it a game

  113. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:50] From an SL centric point of view, I see them as helping to keep LL funded through the hard times. Big money is invested, and they’ll want the grid to continue

  114. Smiddy Smails

    [13:51] is it possible to see SL as an example of a new public, and the corporate presences as efforts to regain control?

  115. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:51] Yeah, Nite, I still think money has a lot to do with all these new networks.

  116. Gregor Kondo

    [13:51] There are many communities of interests here who create their worlds.

    [13:51] They are the New Publics in SL.

  117. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:51] oh yeah. But that’s not necesarrily a bad thing. Without money, the internet would never have grown to the type of thing that can even support SL

  118. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:51] I don’t think the corporations see us as "new publics," they see as another market.

  119. Gregor Kondo

    [13:51] I don’t see how companies could control them.

  120. Resident Griefer

    [13:51] Comments removed from transcript.

  121. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:52] griefer attack =\

  122. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:52] lol

  123. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:52] I can’t mute it =\

  124. Intellagirl Tully

    [13:52] how lame

  125. Dawn Dooley

    [13:52] how lame

  126. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:52] ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

  127. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:53] Trying to explain to a business partner why they should attempt to endure this sort of event is always fun ๐Ÿ™‚

  128. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:53] ah there we go "mute object by name"

  129. Gregor Kondo

    [13:53] No control, you see?

  130. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:53] by the way it looks like someone named 2010 Ah is doing this

    [13:54] Well this is interesting.

  131. Spizaex Stepanov

    [13:54] Even in SL we have terrorist atacks

  132. Second Life

    [13:54] Nite Zelmanov is NOT terrified

  133. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:54] Yeah, I’m just annoyed.

  134. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:54] you can keep your terrorist this and terrorist that at home, thanks

  135. JimmyJet Fossett

    [13:54] Heh–Rage of the Machines!!

  136. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:55] coin a new term, "Annoyancists"

  137. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:55] Hate this

  138. Denials Frazer

    [13:55] annoyed is definitely a better word for it

  139. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:55] infantile

  140. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:55] Can the person who owns the land we’re on not turn of external scripting?

  141. Catherine Omega

    [13:55] I don’t suppose anyone has access to the sim access and object list?

  142. Intellagirl Tully

    [13:55] Pissed off is more accurate

  143. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:55] That should stop this iss.

  144. dga Kyomoon

    [13:55] interesting, I’d like to know how they do it

  145. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:55] is actally better than my home sim sometimes performs when NOT under attack!

  146. Resident C

    [13:55] Publication permission denied.

  147. Farley Scarborough

    [13:55] If anyone gets a fix on who is doing this, we must all report

  148. Gregor Kondo

    [13:55] We are trying to get help.

  149. Catherine Omega

    [13:55] It’s 2010 Ah.

  150. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:56] is there another auditorium we could move to?

  151. Resident C

    [13:56] Publication permission denied.

  152. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:56] seems it is going to finish

  153. Vincent Doctorow

    [13:56] I guess we’re not terrified per se but that is a terrifying picture of thomas the tank engine

  154. dga Kyomoon

    [13:56] lol

  155. Smiddy Smails

    [13:56] sorry about that, everyone

  156. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:56] lol

  157. Catherine Omega

    [13:56] I don’t want to sound like a smartass here, but you really, really need to have someone with management of a sim at these events…

  158. Smiddy Smails

    [13:56] thank you for your help!

  159. DJ Waki

    [13:57] lol

  160. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:57] Yeah, CNET has the same problem

  161. Rik Riel

    [13:57] nice finale!

  162. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:57] corporate noobs

  163. Vorren Voltaire

    [13:57] this is a good example of the gap between corporates and the immersionists. This sort of thing could be handled easily by more experianced residents with access to sim managment tools

    [13:57] the corporations lack SL street cred

  164. LadyKay Gable

    [13:57] pOINKY Y

  165. Gregor Kondo

    [13:57] We booked that to show that there is no control ๐Ÿ™‚

  166. Denials Frazer

    [13:57] true Vorren

  167. LadyKay Gable

    [13:57] WHERE ARE THEY

  168. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:57] Gregor was paid to say that!

  169. Gregor Kondo

    [13:57] lol

  170. Smiddy Smails

    [13:57] alright, I think that’s allwe have time for

    [13:57] a fitting conclusion

  171. Resident C

    [13:57] Publication permission denied.

  172. Smiddy Smails

    [13:58] Again, many thanks to the Kuurian Expedition for inviting us to participate. We encourage anyone who’s interested to stick around for the Linden Town Hall, which will begin at 2:30 PT. Bye!

    [13:58] we can keep the discussion going informally

  173. Weiss Plessis

    [13:58] thanks Smiddy, thanks Gregor!

  174. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:58] gregor, which is the profile of the person who represent the new public of SL?

  175. DJ Waki

    [13:58] thks gregor

  176. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:58] thanks smiddy and gregor

  177. LadyKay Gable

    [13:58] NP

  178. Nite Zelmanov

    [13:58] Thanks guys, I really like these sorts of events, even though they’re usually cut short by griefers if held by corporate noobs

  179. Gregor Kondo

    [13:58] Thanks for coming guys, much appreciated!

    [13:58] Thanks for coming guys, much appreciated!

  180. DJ Waki

    [13:59] thks alicia

  181. Denials Frazer

    [13:59] thanks for the event

  182. Alicia Encinal

    [13:59] ty DJ

  183. Vorren Voltaire

    [13:59] it was informative

  184. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:59] Ty and sorry It had to end like this

  185. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:59] thanks all for coming

    [13:59] and sorry for being a corpoaret noob

  186. Frank Koolhaas

    [13:59] hey guys, a journalist asks me if anyone has photos of the attack

  187. Poinky Malaprop

    [13:59] I have some edumacating to do

  188. Chrissy Ambrose

    [13:59] lol

  189. Poinky Malaprop

    [14:00] this wa the last K.E. meeting for 2006

    [14:00] so hope to see you all in 2007

  190. Intellagirl Tully

    [14:00] WOOOHOOO! For KE!!


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